Have
a couple posts relevant to the map project in the works, but it's been a while
since I uploaded anything, so here's a little something that might be of interest to
someone: Native American body armor.
Take a look at this picture:
That's
a picture of a Huron warrior from the early 17th century. What the man is wearing is a suit of armor
made from flat wooden slats woven together. Similar armor was worn by warriors of the
Iroquois, Powhatan, and many other tribes.
Now, I saw that movie The New World a few years back, and even
though I don't remember much of it (except that I thought it was boring), I'm
pretty certain that it did not accurately depict any Powhatan battle
armor. In fact I'm not aware of any
media in which aboriginal American armor is depicted, and consequently I wonder
if most people are aware it even existed.
I
would suppose that if people don't know, it's because, when it comes to North
American frontier history, with few exceptions, people are only interested in
the 1800's or later. By that late a
period (and in my view, 1800 is
"late"), American Indian body armor was mostly no longer used, so a
film taking place in the 19th century isn't going to depict any. That wouldn't be a problem in itself, except
that people go on to assume that things were the same in the 17th and 18th
centuries. So you get media that depicts
Atlantic coast tribes in the 1600's already without armor, and practicing
guerilla bush warfare that wasn't really typical until a much later era. That, at least, is my impression of things.
Military
body armor was abandoned in North America for the same reason it was abandoned
everywhere else: guns. But the
transition from armor use to gun use didn't happen all at once—it took about
two centuries. The important factor is
that, for the most part, guns entered North America from the east, and very
gradually became available farther west, as more firearms saturated the
intertribal trading networks and more European traders penetrated deeper into
the continent. This is the model of the
"Gun Frontier" (and of its counterpart the "Horse
Frontier") that was popularized by Frank Secoy back in the 1950's.
The spread of the Gun Frontier (highlighted in red) in North America. |
The
reason historians usually give for why the Gun Frontier only spread from the
Atlantic colonies, rather than from the Spanish colonies in the south, is that the
Spanish Empire had a longstanding ban against selling guns to Indians. The other colonists—the English, Dutch,
French, and Swedes (everyone always forgets the Swedes)—had no such rule. Likewise, it's been said that the Spanish had
more horses than the English &c. because the environment in the Southwest
was more favorable to them, and because Spain preserved more of that old
European knightly culture which emphasized equestrianism... which is why the Horse Frontier spread from the south. You can find exceptions to these rules: the
Spaniards' gun embargo was often broken, and the Atlantic colonies did sometimes sell horses to the
Indians. But that the horses entered
Native North America from the Southwest and the guns entered from the East is
more or less an empirical fact, and explanations for why this happened are
secondary.
As
you can see from the map above (taken from Secoy's Changing Military Pattens), by the 19th century most of the
continent was already within the gun zone, so body armor was already
abandoned. So if you're the kind of
person who only cares about the 1800's, then of course you are not going to
hear about any Native American armor, which is a shame, because some of it could be pretty weird and interesting.
(Most of the following info comes from
David Jones' fascinating book "Native North American Armor, Shields, and
Fortifications".)
Indian armor came in different forms depending on which natural materials were
available, and on the tree-poor Plains this material was leather and rawhide¹. Plains armor consisted of a large, bulky, probably
ugly-looking coverall which extended down past a person's knees. Leather on its own isn't very tough—in
fact, from what I understand, part of the regular routine of tanning a rawhide
involves repairing all the puncture holes that inevitably get poked accidentally
during the fleshing and de-hairing process.
People solved this problem in three ways. The first was just to use the thickest animal
hide they could find: elk, bison, moose, walrus, and even alligator hide was
used depending on the region. The
second was to lay the hide on in multiple layers—David Jones mentions as much
as six-ply leather armor used among the Blackfoot and Assiniboine.
The
third method of strengthening rawhide armor was very curious. The hide was reinforced by applying a layer
of sand attached with glue. Sometimes an
additional hide layer was added over the sand layer, then another layer of sand
over that... repeat as necessary. The
same principle was also used in the construction of hand-held shields. One way of applying the sand-and-glue layer
(as done by the Subarctic Athabaskans) is described as follows:
"The armor of cuirass was of moose skin, which, when
sewed according to the proper pattern, was soaked in water, then repeatedly
rubbed on the sandy shore of a stream or lake and dried with the sand and small
pebbles adhering thereto, after which it was thoroughly coated with a species
of very tenacious glue, the principal ingredient of which was boiled isinglass
obtained from the sturgeon. Being again,
before drying, subjected to a thorough rubbing over, it received a new coating
of the aforesaid glue. When this process
had been repeated three or four times, it formed an armor perfectly
invulnerable to arrows over the part which was protected." (A. G. Morrice,
qtd. in Jones Native North American Armor, p 92)
Obviously
not everyone had sturgeons at their disposal.
I don't know how everyone made their glue, but in the Southwest it was
created from cactus leaves, and among the Mandan it was made from bison hooves.
As
far as I know, there are no surviving specimens or photographs of
sand-reinforced armor, so I'm left to imagine what it might have looked
like. Walter Hough, in Primitive
American Armor (1895), does mention some old museum specimens of rawhide
armor which show signs of having been glued, but no sand. So either the sand had all worn off by the
time Hough examined the specimens (not improbable), or the glue was used on its
own as a hardening agent. Hough implies
the latter. If so, that means some North
American leather armor was strengthened using glue alone—adding sand may have
been a later innovation, only used in some areas.
Museum specimens of rawhide leather armor hardened with glue (Hough 1895) |
Prior
to the gun (and the horse), Plains Indian warrior fought a bit like Zulus,
pre-Shaka: in an infantry line, holding heavy shields, exchanging and dodging
missile fire. People like to quote the
Saukamappee account when discussing this period, and I'm no exception, so here
we go:
Saukamappee was a Cree man (with a Blackfoot name: Saahkómaapi), born around 1705~1710, who spent most of his life living among the Blackfoot of Alberta. We know about
him because of the fur-trader David Thompson, who spent the winter of 1786
huddled in Saukamappee's tepee listening to the man tell his life story. Saukamappee's story is interesting, because
he lived through most of the 18th century on the Northern Plains and witnessed
the full transition from the Pre-Horse/Pre-Gun lifestyle to the
Post-Horse/Post-Gun lifestyle, and everything in between. He's yet another one of those fascinating,
obscure figures of early American history.
As a
young man, sometime around 1730, Saukamappee participated in a battle between
the Blackfoot and a tribe he called the Snakes, who were probably
Shoshone. This battle took place before
either the Blackfoot or Shoshone had enough guns or horses to use them
effectively in combat. David Thompson
(speaking in the first-person as Saukamappee), writes:
"A war chief was elected by the chiefs and we got ready
to march. Our spies had been out and had
seen a large camp of the Snake Indians on the Plains of the Eagle Hill, and we
had to cross the River in canoes, and on rafts, which we carefully secured for
our retreat. When we had crossed and
numbered our men, we were about 350 warriors... [T]hey had their scouts out,
and came to meet us. Both parties made a
great show of their numbers, and I thought that they were more numerous than
ourselves.
After some singing and dancing, they sat down on the ground,
and placed their large shields before them, which covered them: We did the
same, but our shields were not so many, and some of our shields had to shelter
two men. Theirs were all placed touching
each other; their Bows were not so long as ours, but of better wood, and the back
covered with the sinews of the Bisons which made them very elastic, and their
arrows went a long way and whizzed about us as balls do from guns. They were all headed with a sharp, smooth,
black stone (flint) which broke when it struck anything. Our iron headed arrows did not go through
their shields, but stuck in them; On both sides several were wounded, but none
lay on the ground; and night put an end to the battle, without a scalp being
taken on either side, and in those days such was the result, unless one party
was more numerous than the other. The
great mischief of war then, was as now, by attacking and destroying small camps
of ten to thirty tents, which are obliged to separate for hunting[.]"
(Thompson, in Tyrell ed. 1916:329-30)
It's
worth noticing that, although the Blackfoot already had access to
European-manufactured iron arrowheads, they still couldn't penetrate the
Shoshones' shield wall.
The
Zulu style of combat disappeared as soon as the Gun Frontier showed up in any
particular area: warriors abandoned the heavy and now-useless coats of n-ply sand-and-leather armor and adopted
lighter armor (or none at all), and smaller shields. This allowed more mobility and led to the
guerilla-style of bush warfare that people are familiar with from the movies.
The
Blackfoot were positioned along the fault line where the Gun and Horse
Frontiers met, so for Saukamappee the transition from the -Gun/-Horse phase to the
+Gun/+Horse phase happened relatively quickly.
The same was not true for tribes located closer to European
settlement. Tribes in the East underwent
a prolonged, transitional +Gun/-Horse period, and tribes nearer the Southwest
likewise experienced a -Gun/+Horse phase which lasted most, or all, of the
1700's. The upshot to all this is that,
whereas the Gun Frontier rendered body armor obsolete, the Horse Frontier
actually caused an expansion of the use of armor, at least among the
High Plains tribes. This led to one of
the most fascinating and under-appreciated aspects of the Native American
military complex: the armored war horse.
Meriwether
Lewis², in 1805, described the Shoshones outfitting their horses with armor (reinforced
with sand, of course):
"They have also a kind of armor which they form with
many foalds of dressed Atelope's skin, unite with glue and sand. with this they cover their own bodies and
those of their horses. these are
sufficient against the effects of the arrow." (The Definitive Journals
of Lewis & Clark, Vol 5, p 151)
But a
more detailed description comes from an old tradition of the Ponca tribe,
telling of their first encounter with horses, which were ridden by their
enemies the Comanches:
"To protect their horses from arrows they [the
Comanche] made a covering for the horses' breasts and sides, to prevent an
arrow taking effect at ordinary range.
This covering was made of thick rawhide cut in round pieces and made to
overlap like the scales of a fish. Over
the surface was sand held on by glue.
This covering made the Ponca arrows glance off and do no damage."
(Fletcher & La Flesche 1911, qtd. in Jones p 40)
Moreso
than anything else, I can't help but wonder what these Plains Indian cataphracts
might have looked like. The image of a
Indian warhorse donning a full suit of leather armor covered with sand, and of
his³ rider doing the same, really clashes with most popular images of the
American West. Unfortunately, I'm going
to have to keep wondering, because I am unable to find any contemporary
paintings or modern costume replicas of Native American horse armor. There are, however, several depictions of them
in tribal rock art. The artistic quality
leaves a lot to be desired, but still gives a general idea of what the texture
looked like.
Rock art drawings of armored war horses, from (clockwise from top-left): Alberta, New Mexico, Montana, Montana again (Moyer 2000) |
Aside
from that, the only visual depiction of any kind I could find comes from the Dariusz caballeros blog:
From Dariusz caballeros. Copyright et cetera belongs to him. |
Dario's
vertical strip design doesn't match the fish-scale pattern described in the Ponca
account, though it does resemble some of the rock carvings a bit. The lack of any protection for the horse's
head and neck seems strange, but is historically accurate from what I've
read. However, I can't see that the
armor is reinforced anywhere with sand covering.
More
sturdy than rawhide armor was wooden armor, like in that picture of the Huron
warrior from earlier. Wooden armor was, as
far as I know, unknown in the Plains, but was used more-or-less wherever there
were trees to make it from: the Pacific coast, the Atlantic coast, and across
the Canadian forest belt between them.
It came in two types: rod armor, made from weaving wooden dowels
together, and slat armor, made by tying flat, rectangular sheets in parallel. Slat armor gave better protection, but rod
armor was lighter and more flexible. The
Indians of the Pacific Northwest combined the best of both worlds by using
heavy slats on the front and back of their chestpieces, with rod armor sections
protecting the sides.
"Detail of weaving rod and slat armor of the Northwest Coast" (Hough 1895) |
A full suit of Pacific Northwest armor (from Middenmurk) |
Wooden
armor was usually used with, rather than instead of, leather armor. Typically a wooden cuirass was worn over top
of a leather coat, but sometimes vice-versa.
Pacific Northwest armor also came with an elaborate helmet which covered
the entire head, face, and neck. The
bottom half of this helmet, which covered everything below the eyes, was held
in place by a strange method: the inside had a small leather hoop, which the
wearer had to grip in his teeth in order to keep it from falling down to his
shoulders. You can see this
mandible-piece and the leather tooth strap in the following diagram:
Tlingit helmets and slat armor (Hough 1895) |
We
don't know a whole lot about armor from the Northeast. Because of the Gun Frontier, this region gave
up on armor very early on, and few Europeans ever even saw it in use. No museum specimens exist, and any artifacts
which once existed in the field have probably rotted away by now. Northeastern armor didn't include helmets as
elaborate as the Northwest, but as you can see from the Huron picture it did
include armguards and leg graves protecting the wearer's limbs. Jacques Cartier in the 1500's even implied
that the Laurentian Iroquoians wore some kind of armoring for their hands and
fingers (Jones p.51).
In 1609,
Samuel de Champlain devastated the Iroquois with his boomstick, ripping
straight through their armor. But it
might not have even taken guns to force the Northeasterners to abandon wooden
armor: according to Elisabeth Tooker (qtd. in Jones p.60), Huron rod-armor was
built to protect against stone arrowheads, but could be broken by iron
arrowheads just as easily as by bullets⁴.
Since the "Iron Frontier"
probably spread much faster than the Gun, we can assume that armor went
obsolete in the Northeast especially fast.
No wonder we know so little about it.
We
know more about armor from the Pacific Northwest, because there it was still
being used on into the 19th century, and is pretty well-attested from
ethnographic descriptions, early photographs, and museum specimens. Part of the reason for this is that the
Northwest was one of the last areas to be touched by the Gun Frontier (see the
Secoy map above), but according to David Jones, another reason is that the
armor was just so damn good.
Huron rod armor couldn't even stop an iron arrowhead, but Tlingit and
Haida slat armor was so strong it could reportedly stop a musketball fired from
medium range. This was accomplished by
using two separate layers of rawhide armor, with the wooden breastplate
sandwiched in between.
David
Jones also draws a curious comparison between the Northwest and the
Southeast. The latter is supposedly the
only place in North America where indigenous armor was never used, at least not
in the historical period. Prehistoric
statuettes from the Mississippian period depict warriors wearing wooden suits
of armor in pre-Contact times, but this had already been abandoned by the time
of the De Soto expedition. Jones'
explanation for this is that, whereas the Northwest excelled in defensive
technology, the Southeast excelled in offensive technology. Northwestern armor was so strong that it
could deflect musketballs, but Southeastern longbows were so effective that
they could pierce European platemail. So
armor was already obsolete before guns even arrived.
Among
the tribes of the Canadian Subarctic, slat armor was sometimes made from ivory
or whalebone. Walter Hough calls this
"plate armor" rather than slat, but as far as I can tell the
construction principle is the same, it just uses a different material. So I feel safe calling it "bone slate
armor" or "ivory slat armor".
Bone armor is something you sometimes see in fantasy RPGs, but I never
supposed that such a thing actually existed in real life.
Eskimo "plate" slat-armor, made of walrus ivory (Hough 1895) |
Bone
armor is probably the strangest kind of body protection regularly worn by American Indian tribes. However, one 18th century observer did report
that the Mohawk wore armor made from seahorse skins... probably baloney, but I
won't stop you from believing it if you really want to.
Here's
a question, though: did any Indian tribes ever manufacture metal armor? It would have had to be copper, since more
advanced metallurgy was unknown to them at the time. Copper arrowheads were used in the
Northeast. Copper knives were used in
Alaska. But what about armor?
There
are a few indications that some groups may have made copper armor at some point, but they're
all indirect, ambiguous, or otherwise unreliable... but only JUST
unreliable to still be plausible. For
example, the Tsimshian of British Columbia made small shields out of beaten
copper—but shields aren't quite the same thing as armor, and are probably easier to make, so all we can do is guess as to whether they ever experimented in making actual
copper armor.
One
of the members of the 1602 Gosnold expedition to Virginia, Gabriel Archer,
claimed to have seen a Virginia Indian man wearing copper armor: "[he] had
hanging about his neck a plate of rich copper, in length a foot, in breadth
half a foot for a breastplate."
However, the other chronicler of the Gosnold expedition, John Brereton,
mentions no such copper breastplate in his account, and refers only to decorative
copper paraphernalia.
Captain
James Colnett reported in 1787 that he had seen pieces of
copper armor worn by the Haida. According to Frederica de
Laguna,
"[Colnett] sketched a suit of wooden slat body armor...
and alongside it (but to a larger scale?) a typical 'copper,' which he
described as 'their Copper Breast plate which is their under armour." (de Laguna,
qtd in Wark 2009)
Archer
and Colnett may have just seen people wearing ornamental coppers that served no function beyond that of jewelry. However,
David Jones points out that armor pieces the world-over are often retained—in reduced
and decorative form—as fashion accessories for the wealthy and high-status, long
after they've ceased being useful as combat protection. So the presence of decorative copper gorgets
or breastplates might still imply that, in bygone days, such pieces were used as
armor. Maybe!
My
direct source for the above quotation (which appears to be an undergraduate
paper—take it or leave it!) also mentions this:
"Acheson (2003:223), in describing an ancient site in
Prince Rupert, lists a set of 'copper tubes {that} were uncovered aligned in
double, parallel rows, along with a cache of weapons (a slate dagger and
clubs), which suggests to MacDonald (1983:105-106) that the copper pieces may
be the remains of a suit of rod armour.'" (Wark 2009)
That is
exactly what one would expect to find after centuries of decay, after the strips
used to sew the rods together had all rotten away. So it sounds like centuries ago, some people
at least were wearing suits of copper armor in the Pacific Northwest. I wonder what such armor might have looked like.
There is also this: in
the early 20th century, J. Aldon Mason was told by Slavey informants that
the Slavey tribe had once possessed armor "made of plates of copper buckled
together" (qtd. in Jones p.93). One
would hope that this very exceptional practice were corroborated by some other
account or photograph, but I am aware of none—Mason never saw such armor
himself. I would like to believe it's
true, but I'm not sure the evidence supports it.
The Prince Rupert archaeological site seems to me the best evidence for copper armor... at least in aboriginal times. For
the post-Contact period there are a few examples of Native armor being
reinforced or augmented by bits and pieces of iron (or of Indian warriors just
straight-up wearing European steel breastplates). But by
far the most curious example comes from the
Tlingit, who somehow had the brilliant and crazy idea to sew Chinese coins
onto their leather armor. This was
made possible by the fact that China used to mint their coins with little
square holes in the middle. The end
result was, in essence, that mythical "studded leather armor" that history nerds say never actually existed.
Tlingit leather armor coat studded with Chinese coins (from Beyond Buckskin) |
Sand
armor, scaled rawhide horse armor, slat armor, bone armor, copper armor, coin
armor... This is all very alien to the
image of Native North American history that most people know. It would be nice to see some of this stuff
someday make it into a movie, made by a really competent wardrobe
department to actually look good (you know how in historical epics made
before Gladiator, the armor costumes never quite fit right, and make the actors look scrawny?). I'm not
very optimistic. But maybe it already has and I'm just not aware of it. Maybe I'm complaining about nothing, and in reality everyone already knows about this stuff. So lemme just finish with
this amusing historical anecdote from David Jones, one that I am certain will never be depicted in any film:
"Indians had no monopoly on wooden armor in the
Southeast. When the French soldiers
prepared to attack the Chickasaw fort at Ackia they donned wooden breastplates
as protection against the Chickasaw arrows they expected to face. Cushman wrote, 'No wonder their astonishment
was great, when instead of a shower of arrows to rebound from their
breast-plates, a hail storm of leaden bullets greeted them, against which their
wooden shields were as gossamer.' For a
brief moment in history, the European put his faith in a wooden armor and found
himself defeated by Indians using the gun." (p 139)
Notes
¹ I'm
not entirely certain what the technical distinction is between
"leather" and "rawhide".
I looked at several leatherworking websites and tanning videos trying to
find out, and just ended up more confused than before. So apologies if I make any terminological
errors.
² For
some reason, the version of this Meriwether Lewis passage quoted by David E.
Jones and Walter Hough is slightly different than this. Jones is quoting Hough, and Hough was using
an older edition of the Lewis & Clark journals that I couldn't find.
³ The
Comanches rode stallions if they could help it, and possibly other Plains
tribes did as well. One explanation why
might come from an old description of the Pawnees, wherein it was said that
they couldn't breed their own horses because riding the mares caused them all
to miscarry. I'm not a horse person, so
I don't know how common this problem is.
⁴ The Northeast Indians also used copper
arrowheads-- I don't know how effective this was against rod armor.
Sources
Gabriel
Archer, The Relation of Captain Gosnold's
Voyage to the North part of Virginia [1602]. In Collections of the Masachusetts Historical
Society, Vol. VIII. of the Third Series. 1843.
John
Brereton, A Brief and True Relation of
the Discovery of the North Part of Virginia [1602]. In Collections of the Massachusetts
Historical Society, Vol. VIII. of the Third Series. 1843.
Walter
Hough, Primitive American Armor.
1895.
David E.
Jones, Native North American Armor,
Shields, and Fortifications. 2004.
Meriwether
Lewis & William Clark, The Definitive
Journals of Lewis and Clark, ed. Gary E. Moulton. 2002 [1804-6].
David Moyer,
New Interpretations of Rock Art from the
Nordstrom-Bowel Site (24YL419), Yellowstone County, Montana. 2000.
David
Thompson, David Thompson's Narrative of
His Exploration in Western America: 1784-1812, ed. J. B. Tyrell. 1916.
Kyle Wark, The Copper Age on the Northwest Coast: Early
Indigenous Metalworking. 2009.
What an excellent well researched, interesting and well referenced blog post. Thank you very much.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to rawhide/leather. I think the confusion lies in people using "rawhide" as a synonym for buckskin. Buckskin is a type of leather.
Rawhide is the defleshed, dehaired, stretched and dried hide of an animal. Rawhide is stiff and hygroscopic. It is very useful for only a few things, drum skins and, when cut into strips, stretched and twisted, bowstrings.
Leather is "tanned" rawhide, that is to say the rawhide is further processed to make it supple, less water absorbent and to preserve it. In Europe this is done
by soaking the rawhide in pits or vats filled with water to which tannic materials like bark and wood chips is added. The hide is infused with the preserving tannins. after this the hide is emolliated with oils and fats to make it supple.
Native American leather is called "buckskin", many people call this "rawhide" which it isn't. Buckskin is rawhide which is tanned by a process involving massaging animal brains (you can use eggs) into the stretched hide and then smoking the hide. The Indians removed the smooth outer surface of the hide, I guess to assist in penetration of the brains and smoke, so buckskin leather has a fine suede texture and is pale cream to tobacco brown in colour.
Talking of smoking and South East Indian bows, it has long been a mystery how these bows were described as being powerful enough to pierce double chain mail, but were made (with the exception of Osage) of wood thought to be second tier bow woods like hickory and black locust. Modern wood bowyer Keith Shannon has recently produced hickory bows of great power and cast by curing these woods over fire, a technique well known to the natives.
Great post, many thanks.
"(De Soto's men also reported seeing massive macuahuitls that could decapitate a horse.)"
ReplyDeleteNot a historian, but I'm pretty sure this is a comment from Díaz del Castillo about the conquest of the Aztecs. There were "macanas" among the Mississippians but they were rarer than war clubs and often made only of wood, with exceptional mentions (from Europeans) of macanas armed with fish teeth or obsidian shards (which I assume were traded from elsewhere). The Soto expedition does mention the Mississippians knocking down riders with wooden staffs or shooting down the horses from under them with arrows, however.
Source: The already mentioned "Native North American Armor, Shields, and Fortifications" by Jones.
"De Soto's chroniclers described a war club used by Indians at the mouth of the Mississippi River that was set with "very sharp fish bones." Obsidian-edged "swords," capable of decapitating a horse, were encountered by the Spaniards in their wars with the Aztec. The De Soto entrada confronted a similar weapon at Cofitachequi (Georgia)..." p.121-2
DeleteI don't know the specifics of Mesoamerican weapon jargon, I usually take "macuahuitl" to refer to any of those kinds of weapons. But yes, the line about decapitating a horse is in reference to the Aztecs, not the Mississippians--probably sloppy reading on my part. I'll probably just remove that sentence (even if it does mean losing the amusing Game of Thrones clip).
Speaking of the Tsimshian, there actually is a finding of metal armour in the Prince Rupert Harbour (where my people, the Tsimshian are located.)
ReplyDeleteSpecifically, a warrior burial found to to have several wooden rods wrapped in copper. Odds are, it's wooden rod armour upgraded with copper.
https://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/aborig/tsimsian/arcwarre.html
Oh that is very cool.
DeleteI came here because a painter and archaelogist made a painting of the Comanche cataphract and linked your article as one inspiration. In case you haven't seen and in hope future visiters will see it I let a link to the painting:
ReplyDeletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/RafaelmenaI/status/1424126161341267971/photo/1
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ReplyDeleteThere,
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